tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post2478502796819784257..comments2023-10-20T04:45:00.350-06:00Comments on Coming Down the Pipe!: Oilers News, Notes & ThoughtsGuy Flaminghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03178739486819659419noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-88177288963837075792009-06-22T09:20:15.516-06:002009-06-22T09:20:15.516-06:00Jon_K:
He is indeed one of the older players in t...Jon_K:<br /><br />He is indeed one of the older players in the draft. On the other hand, he was one of the younger players in college and he was 2nd in team scoring (to Ryan Stoa, a 22 year old drafted 34 overall in 2005), 2nd in his conference, tied for the team lead in +/- at +17 with Stoa, next highest F was +5.<br /><br />But he made the WJHC the year before his draft, when he was too young for the 2008 draft by 2 weeks, and finished 2nd in scoring for team USA.<br /><br />As for his physical maturity, I can see that argument, but it seems to me in a small player one of the main concerns is how he'll play against older bigger players. He's seemed to do OK against college players.<br /><br />As for his physical maturity, I suppose it could be a negative in some scouts's minds. I'm not sure I look at it that way, necessarily. From what I've read he's got a strong core and that probably will allow him to compete better as the players get bigger. I suppose it would be better if he could do the same things now but still have more physical upside, but he probably wouldn't be ranked as highly as he is now without his physical maturity because he'd have a hard time putting up the same numbers if he were 5'8" 150 lbsspeedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328543507843688509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-32439833666025616372009-06-22T02:11:28.056-06:002009-06-22T02:11:28.056-06:00speeds: I think there are two considerations that ...speeds: I think there are two considerations that might mitigate Schroeder's allure at tenth overall, in addition to the more obvious drawbacks (size).<br /><br />His DOB is Sep. 29, 1990 so he's one of the older players in the draft.<br /><br />He's fairly physically mature going by combine reports.<br /><br />It's debatable the effect that these concerns might have on his draft position but it's something to keep in mind.jon khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938664598219121565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-23987846318112976182009-06-21T22:51:33.486-06:002009-06-21T22:51:33.486-06:00Dorito:
1) Cornet doesn't have to be signed u...Dorito:<br /><br />1) Cornet doesn't have to be signed until this time next year. As far as I know, he isn't yet.<br /><br />2) would the AHL guys that I mentioned fit the bill in your opinion? Would they be signings that you as a fan would look at and think "OK, they've done their part this time... now it's up to the players." ?<br /><br />3) Neither guy are in the mix as far as I can tell. They just aren't.Guy Flaminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03178739486819659419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-78251368044308174962009-06-21T19:08:01.096-06:002009-06-21T19:08:01.096-06:00Do you happen to have any proof that Philippe Corn...Do you happen to have any proof that Philippe Cornet was signed? I haven't seen anything yet to either prove or disprove your statement and would definitely like to see the kid under contract. He did, after all, put up more points than Jordan Eberle.<br /><br />Regarding your thoughts on getting veteran AHLers to fill in for Springfield, I'll get behind that 100%. I get the pleasure of the Moose as my hometown hockey and know that if you want your prospects to develop successfully you make them outplay veterans for ice-time, and not your other prospects. The veterans know they're going to get paid whether they're on the 1-line or the 3-line. If a prospect gets bumped down like that, they're going to be playing with less confidance and there goes your prospect pool.<br /><br />If we're looking for veterans, I say shoot for the moon and go after an offensive center that can take the toughs. Keith Aucoin is my personal favourite after watching him and Giroux dismantle the Moose in the Calder Cup finals. On the back-end we need a guy to put up points to take the pressure off young Chorney. Now normally I'd go with someone at the top of the defensive scoring charts, but that's Dan Syvret so there goes that experiment. I like either Danny Groulx or Brett Skinner. You also need that energy guy, the shit disturber who motivates the team. Again, someone with experience. And since you're not prying Mie Keane away from his hometown, maybe we give Darryl Bootland a call.<br /><br />Lastly, on the 10th pick, I agree that Ellis shouldn't be on the radar that early, but Schroeder should be right around #10 for our perusal. If I'm picking, I make the move up for Kulikov if we think he's going to go early. After Schenn, I don't like the forward corps. Too many negatives.doritograndehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497613230666426389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-89520297470301281312009-06-20T23:02:34.022-06:002009-06-20T23:02:34.022-06:00Interesting the comments about LA liking Kadri. W...Interesting the comments about LA liking Kadri. When I did the first version of my mock, that's something I was trying to consider since it makes the most sense to me should the Leafs trade up for Schenn that that's the pick they'd get.Viknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-49030997710189783592009-06-20T21:48:31.257-06:002009-06-20T21:48:31.257-06:00Their BPA is definitely different from mine most o...Their BPA is definitely different from mine most of the time. I've been doing rankings and mocks for fun since 2001, and the only two times have I've agreed with the Oilers on their first pick were:<br /><br />2001 - Hemsky<br /><br />2003 - Pouliot<br /><br />I really like Schroeder this year, the only real knock seems to be size, and I've read once or twice (no idea if it's true or not) that he may not be the "best teammate", whatever that means.<br /><br />I think his size will be less of a hindrance than for most guys his size based on his build, but it's certainly a factor. No question about that.<br /><br />That said I think there's a decent chance it will be a moot point with Schroeder being selected before #10.speedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328543507843688509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-81384351662357978302009-06-20T20:31:18.342-06:002009-06-20T20:31:18.342-06:00I don't see Moore as being in the same ball pa...I don't see Moore as being in the same ball park as Robby Dee. Dee was a mid-draft guy, so was Vande Velde. <br /><br />Moore is a potential top-third of the 1st round... much more like Kyle Okposo.<br /><br />And I actually expect Moore will end up in Kitchener and not go the NCAA route. That's different from those guys too.Guy Flaminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03178739486819659419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-63107981150770699082009-06-20T19:37:21.310-06:002009-06-20T19:37:21.310-06:00Thanks for linking this on the HF boards, Guy, it&...Thanks for linking this on the HF boards, Guy, it's a great read. One slight concern I had about Moore is that he's a '90 birth year (like Tavares and Hedman, I believe), still playing in the USHL. I think it was one of your Pipeline shows this year that someone alluded to the lower competitive level in the USHL, relative to years past. I'm also thinking of a couple former USHLers in our system who have not done well (Robby Dee, Paukovich). Do you see the same concerns regarding Moore's game, and whether it will translate to college / pro game?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-71859555669850817522009-06-20T13:45:03.259-06:002009-06-20T13:45:03.259-06:00I personally don't have Ellis in the top 15 an...I personally don't have Ellis in the top 15 and Schroeder isn't top 10 for me either. <br /><br />The Oilers will take BPA but like I said back on May 3rd (http://thepipelineshow.blogspot.com/2009/05/damned-either-way.html)... who they think is BPA is going to be different than many fans.<br /><br />Size is definitely still as much a factor as skating, hockey sense, defensive play and anyth other aspect a player brings to the table. All things being equal, the bigger guy will win out over a smaller one.Guy Flaminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03178739486819659419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-34212354592425942072009-06-20T13:01:30.309-06:002009-06-20T13:01:30.309-06:00So what is your take here Guy? Do the Oilers simp...So what is your take here Guy? Do the Oilers simply not think as much of Schroeder (and Ellis, to some extent) as some do?<br /><br />Are the Oilers drafting for BPA in the first round? Or are they drafting for BPA, unless the player isn't at least 6', doesn't play a physical game, etc.speedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328543507843688509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677867857097423502.post-46544080366101359062009-06-20T12:40:13.702-06:002009-06-20T12:40:13.702-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10344791578746781253noreply@blogger.com